Is Jack Frost a Mary Sue?

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Long time watchers who follow me know that I have complained a lot about how Jack Frost is in my opinion the biggest mary-sue there is, even bigger than some actual Mary-sues (fellow deviants would like to remind me that the appropriate term would be Gary-Stu, but I refuse to use that .. because that would imply that there is anything remotely masculine about Jack who's physique is more feminine than even Elsa's body) Since the entire internet seems to worship Jack Frost like Jesus and treats his movie, crossovers, his fanartist (looking at you Samikichins) and the damned Jelsa ship like if they where the biggest thing to had ever happened since the Beatles.

The Guardian is watching YOU by JurassicJinx

And are now starting to invade and change OTHER fandoms into their ship. And they wonder why good shows don't last..

Ladybug reacts to Jelsa Ladybug by JurassicJinx

So let's put my accusations to the test by testing Jack Frost to the Mary-Sue test trackforce.deviantart.com/jour… and see whether he really is the biggest sue of all time. I'm going to test Frostface by the fan art, Cosplays, Music videos, fan fics and stuff that I have heard from people that have seen Jelsa works. The way the fans have portrayed him most commonly and his main Jelsa appearance. The first things that immediately turn up on Google search even when I'm not looking for it (Seriously Google, I'm only searching for Frozen stuff.. why is there no filther to prevent Jelsa fanart from showing up in my search?) I'm going way past the movie and sum him up by the works of his fans. In other works the results of this test are what you people have made him into.

So let's go!

Name

Jack Frost. Real name Jackson Overland Frost. And before you comment read the damn ROTG wiki page, that's his full name.


Does your character's name have some kind of special meaning? [2 points if yes]
Obviously.

POINTS: 2

F A N D O M

What is/are the main fandom(s) your character is in? [3 points if in more then 1]
Counting the main big ones, in otherwords the crossovers the fans consider "Canon" to the ROTBTFD universe and to Jelsa. Which is Frozen, ROTG, Brave, HTTYD and Tangled.

ROTBTFD Holiday Special by JurassicJinx

POINTS: 5

A P P E A R A N C E

Is your character unusually attractive? [3 points]

I don't think he is but then again this is the only reason he's popular. It clearly wasn't his flat-character.

POINTS: 8

Does your character have some type of unusual characteristic? (ie. Cat ears, cat tail, unusual eye color, Unusual hair colors [fiery red, blue, white, green, rainbow, purple and pink all count]) [4 points. 5 extra for Cat features if the character is in anime fandom]
Yes obviously.

POINTS: 12


Does your character's clothing resemble any canon character's? [2 points]
Since the Jelsa fans like to heavily compare Jack to Elsa a lot and even changed his clothes to green when Elsa went green in Frozen Fever (seriously kids, give Elsa some time to be herself! And real-life tip girls, Guys HATE it when their girlfriends forced them to dress like twins) As well as the rumors that DreamWorks did spy on Disney's progress on the Snow Queen movie, let that be a yes.

Jack And Elsa Spring Version by jackandelsa1

(apologies to jackandelsa1, however you kinda owe me since you went on my gallery)

POINTS: 14

Does your character have animal characteristics? [Bat wings, animal ears, animalistic body ect...] [2 point]
I'm surprise there hasn't been some forced on animal take on Jack by now.


POINTS: 14

R A C E / P O W E R S
Does Jack Frost being white count as points? I mean would people had liked Jack if he was Black? Just saying..
 
Is your character from a place that the fandom doesn't take place in? [3 points]

Taking into account Joyce's books that feature Jack as Nightlight that few fans reference, this is a yes even if these books are rarely acknowledge as canon by the shippers.

81yscs1D5yL by JurassicJinx

POINTS: 17

Is your character a demon? [3 points]
The "Dark Frost" fan works are basically this, some of then even referring to Jack as a Demon. (See I'm not the only one, however I am the only one to show what a demon really is, pure evil) Because being a lazy bum apparently wasn't "Bad Boy" enought for the tweens.

POINTS: 20

Is your character related to a demon? [2 points]
Again the "Dark Frost" works.

POINTS: 22

Is your character related to a supreme being? (ie, god/goddess, Satan, angels ect...) [6 points]
If Frostface isn't a demon then he will often be portrayed as a angel, no really s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/7… I doubt Yahwe would let him into his army of angels. Probably would had been the first angel he threw into Earth after he purge it from the bad ones since lusting after an earth women was an angel's biggest sin and first step into becoming a demon. And no that's not just me showing my biblical knowledge, freaking Angel's Friends even had that as a tragic past for one of the Devil girls tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php… and that's a kid's show BTW..

And just incase you think that I'm exaggerating on my rant with fans treating Jack Frost like God, then here's a comment that I found at the ROTG thread discussing ROTG 2 with Jamie

"And yeah I can't wait. I want them to be like those people who go around and make others believe in god because that would be perfect for them."

Comment is made by someone named Therealbeliever (because of course he would name himself THAT) riseoftheguardians.wikia.com/w…

And people think I'm going to far with my fanfics where Jack Frost compares himself to be greater than God.

BTW, if you go knock on my door to believe in Jack Frost then I will shoot you.

POINTS: 28

Does your character practice witch craft? [2 points]

He is magic and if not then there's the unimaginative ROTBTFD fics where they attend Hogwarts..

POINTS: 30

Can your character change form? [2 points]
If by form we mean his unexplained ability to somehow be a normal boy and interact with Elsa despite the fact that he shouldn't because that's not how he is suppose to work in ROTG, then yes.

POINTS: 32

A F F A I R W I T H C A N O N S

Is your character in love with a canon?
Yup.

If so; who?
Elsa. Before her it was Rapunzel then Merida. Then they all got dump by the fans because they were not "White enought" for Frostface, Allegedly.

Are they romantically involved? [4 points]
Are Jack and Elsa suppose to be inlove?

Gothel's Jelsa by JurassicJinx

POINTS: 36


Do they end up having kids? [4 points]
Yeah and pretty bland looking with that white hair, they also got some very uncreative names (Elsack, Elsie, Elsia, Jackelsa, Jackie, Jackling Jackson, Jack Jr.) or Jack Frost is just that egostistical.


POINTS: 40

Did they get married? [2 points]
That must have been a strange wedding, considering that nobody above the age of 13 should be able to see Jack.

POINTS: 42

Do they have flaws in their relationship? [Not worth any points]
Do they? The fans tend to show it as being pretty perfect it's almost like a parody of a sitcom relationship.
 
Are there other canons who lust over your character? [4 points. Extra 3 if more then one canon lusts after your character]
Poor poor Rapunzel, and Toothiana, and Merida occasionally.

POINTS: 49

Is your character related to any of the canons by blood? [2 points]
His he? Because if we follow the Jack is Elsa and Anna's ancestor then that means that Jack is having sex with his own granddaughter! Same thing if he's related to Rapunzel. That just makes Jack and Elsa cousins. But since I do believe Jack is a redneck I wouldn't mind.
 
POINTS: 49

Is your character in love with more then one canon? [2 points]
No, cause apparently Elsa is the only woman Jack has ever had feelings for despite that Jack has been a teenager for 300 years, and if you know real teenagers you know they change feelings for a girl as often as people change their socks. Seriously did puberty not hit Jack at all?

But since the Hogwarts fics and some Jelsa ships do try to add some drama, let's go with a yes. I mean Jack Frost is written as being so perfect that the entire school worships him. So let's give them a point, even if it's pointless since the ending is always that Jack get's Elsa because Fate or some BS.
 
POINTS: 51

Has your character had past romantic relationships with other canons? [7 points]
Since I mention Rapunzel and Merida and even Toothiana then yes. This is also part of the Jelsa fics since they tend to kill Rapunzel or portray her as not getting over Frostface and being jealous.

POINTS: 58

Does your character hate any of the canon characters and wishes to hurt/kill them? [6 points]
Prince Hans is often portray as the bad guy in most Jelsa fics. This is my way to made it up to the Hans fans.

Frozen Runaway - Jack's nightmare by JurassicJinx

POINTS: 64

Has your character ever been involved with prostitution/drugs/child abuse/rape? [4 points]
No, because most fans just go with what they saw in ROTG. And because Jack has to have a perfect life. Besides that would made Jack relatable and interesting. 
 
POINTS: 64

Has your character had any tragedy in their past? [5 points]
Duh, the hilarious moment in ROTG where he try to save his sister.

Jack Frost vs. His Sister 2 by JurassicJinx

POINTS: 69

R E S U L T S

>>69 points<<

88= Uber sue; I'm sorry but your character is a total sue. Try not to make your character too powerful or too attractive. Maybe give your character some flaws and you can be sure to have an OC. Keep on developing your character; he/she has a lot potential.

55=87 Mary Sue. Your character is rough around the edges but with a little more polishing then your character will become a lovable OC. Maybe either give your character more or less flaws. Try to make them a bit more believable and you will have an OC.

21=54 True OC. You have a very well balanced character. Good job on having a true OC.

20 and under= Anti sue. Why are you taking this test?

69 Points, Jack Frost is a Mary Sue (55=87)


Yes, Jack Frost has been made into a Mary Sue by the fans. I stand corrected.

"Maybe either give your character more or less flaws"

Knowing the fans they'll probaly go with less.

"Try to make them a bit more believable and you will have an OC."

HAHA, Jack Frost being "Believable"! Jack Frost is basically the perfect guy all the girls want but in reality doesn't exist. He's even more fictional than Christian Grey or all those Harlequin novel romances and even more shamelessly self indulging since not only is Jack so young is not even legal (Reader's country laws may vary) but he never ages and is a preteen forever. Essentially a slutty version of Peter Pan.

Seeing the popularity of Jelsa where Elsa is basically a author/reader self-insert for fangirls who haven't experienced sex and dream of becoming immortal and young forever because they are afraid of death and growing old is safe to say that Jack Frost will become the world's fictional character who has become the biggest mary sue in existence.

His only competition being .. BATMAN BATMAN DANCE GIF ICON 

Sorry Jack but no matter how big of a fanbase you have.. you'll NEVER be as big of a Hero Sue as BATMAN Dancing batman Jack frost 

P.S No seriously people, can we stop it with this whole thing of Batman being so great at everything? This is why DC is having a hard time making movies that aren't about Batman.

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WhispertheWolfie's avatar
While I don't think the term "Mary Sue" should ever be treated like real criticism, the inclination to use it is usually indicative of some flaw(s) that needs defining in how a character is written, and...yeah, Jack Frost is treated in fandom like a badly-written character. This is a good example of why I've never been a fan of how fandoms treat DreamWorks' Jack Frost. He's a likeable and relatable character in his own movie who is flawed and makes mistakes but ultimately will do the right thing...you know, an archetypal hero with an archetypal hero's journey that's engaging on an emotional level. But the various fan creations involving him just turn him into...a self-insert or an ideal companion/boyfriend or sometimes even a sex icon (which, when we're talking about animation, is just like "Why...?")

It's almost fascinating. Like, I want to know what it is about his formula that caused this phenomenon. Questions like, "Would other characters like Luke Skywalker would have suffered from it if he had come out in a post-Internet world that wanted to place him in a lot of crossovers?" arise with this sort of thing.